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Thy Devourer

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PostSubject: The system is fucked.   2010-04-27, 13:45

So i'm going for an electrical apprenticeship soon and this is just so stupid.

An apprenticeship (in the old days) used to be for people who dont like school and would rather be working and learning a trade and such bla bla bla. Anyways, I got a pretty good score in my vce but cbf with uni so i want to go into an apprenticeship.

In the old days all you needed to do is find an employer and bam your apprenticeship started, but these days its fucked. None, to a minute number of employers will hire you if you dont have any work experience or a pre apprenticeship courses. So i spent a month looking for one the hard way (without those two things, even though i've done some work expierence on work sites and such) and got nothing. So, i'm like fine, i'll get a pre app and its easy after that. But i'm not too good at math so i'm like thats ok, i'll get taught it all in the pre app course. But noooooooooooo, before you actually get to be elligble for the course you have to pass some gay maths test, you have to show that your capable at yr 10 maths. And i get the logic behind it, so they dont have to teach you how to add and stuff but i passed yr 10 math so obviously i knopw how to do that! i mean fuck! if the fucken goverment has a lack of skilled workers and wants more why would you make it so fucken hard for people to get into the fucken career that you need more of.

Idiots, all of them.

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PostSubject: Re: The system is fucked.   2010-04-27, 14:25

Thy Devourer wrote:
So i'm going for an electrical apprenticeship soon and this is just so stupid.

An apprenticeship (in the old days) used to be for people who dont like school and would rather be working and learning a trade and such bla bla bla. Anyways, I got a pretty good score in my vce but cbf with uni so i want to go into an apprenticeship.

In the old days all you needed to do is find an employer and bam your apprenticeship started, but these days its fucked. None, to a minute number of employers will hire you if you dont have any work experience or a pre apprenticeship courses.

Ok, first of all, im not sure of this "fairy tale" old days your dreaming of but i can tell you they dont exist, expecially if Fodder and Geoff could read this, they would whole haertedly agree no doubt...

Very rarely would you walk in and bam, you got a job, you would get an "opportunity" if the boss didnt mind the look of you first off, you might get a shot, usually within the first 2 weeks, that opportunity was extended a little further or you were told to piss off...

Unfortunatly, most of these pre-prep courses etc these days are only a smoke screen for the government to hide the "under achievers" of society, basicaly, and please, not all of them, such as yourself, but most of the people in these are low life borderline retards with no life skills and hence no work ethic and couldnt give 2 shits about work but whats required to stay below the radar and qualify to recieve my hard earned tax dollars every fuckn fortnight!!! But, il cut my off topic rage right there...

Hmmm hmmm... Ok, so basically man, the best advice i can give if you are super keen on being a sparky is realise that fisrt of all and electrician isnt just playing with a bunch of wires anymore... Most electrical applications in today's society are based on complex networks that incorporate alot of multi-faceted technology that requires a tad more intelligence thatn what was previously expected...

For example, for all intense and purposes, im a mechanic, thats the trade i qualified in, i fix cars... back in the "old days" a mechanic litterally was a jack-of-all-trades, knowing the fundamentals and having the ability to work on all manner of veichles, but today, its nothing like that, technically, im a Peugot technician, beucase i have undertaken specialist technical training specific to the manufacturer i work on, for example, its not just a matter of "its fucked, fix it" an average Peugeot has roughly 16 independant ECU's that are connected via a multi-can network that controls every facet of how the vehicle opperates, i have to be able to use the computer programing via laptop to test, interpret and diagnose any issues that come up... But if i was to now pack my bags and say move into the For or Holden camp, guess what, i wouldnt have a clue about their technical side of things becuase its so different from my feild, sure id know basics, "thats an oil filter, thats an engine" etc, but id have to undergo years of training again to be competent...

Ok, end rant, Bu needless to say, If you cant pass their yr 10 equivalency exam then your fucked... But if your serious about doing an apprenticeship, ulll your fkn finger out and do what ya gota do... My first port of call would be with the big ellectrical companies but as in qld, its ergon energy, i dont know what you queers have down south, but if you can get in with them, they train you, they provide all your gear and pay you shit loads of money...

Good luck
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PostSubject: Re: The system is fucked.   2010-04-27, 16:08

Yeah man, as 47 said, sparkies these days actually have to do a fair bit of head work, not just playing round with wires. You have to do a decent amount of tafe work (technical college or whatever it's called up there) in an electrician apprenticeship, and have to have a basic understanding of the of theory behind what you're doing. The theory they do is pretty basic electrical engineering physics work, so is very math orientated. It's just to weed out the idiots that would be in danger of killing people.
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PostSubject: Re: The system is fucked.   2010-04-27, 17:51

yeah i get that dude, but my dad was a carpenter and he did about 1- 2 months of work exp and was offered an apprenticeship, similar thing with my uncle. That what i meant by "BAM" lol Razz

But i get what your saying, edgers and 47, it does make sense. I've just gone through enough shit trying to get one you know? Goverment doesn't reaslly help at all, well local governments. But should be all good when i have a pre app cours eunder my belt or work exp ey Wink

Cheers for the advice.

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PostSubject: Re: The system is fucked.   2010-04-27, 18:43

have you tried going through one of the apprentice training groups?
I know up here we have ones such as BIGA and Qld Apprenticeship Services who will hire you and place you with employers.

Might be easier/better.
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PostSubject: Re: The system is fucked.   2010-04-28, 06:00

If you want some help with maths, you can ask me anytime if it helps.
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PostSubject: Re: The system is fucked.   2010-04-28, 06:11

sif ask an engineer about maths!? wats he gonna kno.. come to me the architect and ill sort u out Wink
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PostSubject: Re: The system is fucked.   2010-04-28, 06:39

Sparky/Plumber, but sparky especially are like the hardest trades to get into these days.
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